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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 13, 2008 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you think of my "Essential Grateful Dead?"

What you say about the importance of sound quality is reasonable. The shows I recommended are all at least A- sound, but I think you may be going for A across the board. IIRC, 10-21-78 has the worst sound of the available SBDs of that run, but I also see your point about sticking with what you already have. After all, 250 shows should provide at least a few good ones to start with (not quite lol).

Given your mission, how about "Grateful Dead Starter Kit", rather than "Essential Grateful Dead"?

I echo Ashes in commending you for giving of your time to evangelize in this way. Listening to the Winterland 1973 box, I've found myself feeling sorry for all the people who have no idea of all the amazing, creative music those guys produced.

I think Veneta is a perfectly decent show from a few weeks before some much better shows (the best of which, however, have been released commercially and so may be off your list). The Playin' smokes, but I find the Dark Star a bit boring.

Barton Hall is an exceptionally clean and tight show, but Jerry in particular plays conservatively, going for can't-miss licks rather than exploring new possibilities, so there's not much to keep me interested. The much-ballyhooed Scarlet>Fire is a perfect example of that. The Dew is sketchy until the last few minutes, which do indeed rock. All of that said, I have to acknowledge it would be a good show for newbies.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Apr 13, 2008 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you think of my "Essential Grateful Dead?"

Lou, Grateful Dead Starter Kit is perfect. I'm going to use that. Thanks for the suggestion!

So I've added:

1968-10-12 - Avalon Ballroom, SF, CA (SBD)
1970-09-19 - Fillmore East, NYC, NY (SBD)
1971-08-06 - Hollywood Palladium, LA, CA (AUD)
1976-07-18 - Orpheum Theatre, SF, CA (SBD) (second set only as it's so unique).
1977-06-09 - Winterland Arena, SF, CA (SBD+)

and I booted one of the Hampton 89 shows, and the 10-2-1977 gig.

Now, regarding the Veneta show, I actually prefer the one a week earlier at the Berkeley Community Center (1972-08-21) as that Playin' In The Band is one of my personal favorites and I think that show overall has a more upbeat tempo and energy than Veneta. I'm considering swapping that one. Are you familiar with 8-21? Besides that I have 07-21-1972 and several Europe 1972 ones.

Speaking of Euro 1972, I have a handful of shows but I just haven't gotten around to listening to them in detail. So I'm not sure what's really good. I have:

1972-04-14 - Tivoli Theater
1972-05-03 - Olympia Theater
1972-05-11 - Rotterdam Civic Hall, Rotterdam, Netherlands (SBD)
1972-05-16 - Radio Luxembourg
1972-05-23 - The Strand Lyceum, London, England (SBD)
1972-05-26 - The Strand Lyceum

Lastly, I don't own any of the commercially released shows so I can't include them in this starter kit. :-)

This is so much fun, I've spent a ton of time over the past few days working on this. I just don't have enough space on the DVD! It's quite challenging, actually.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Apr 13, 2008 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you think of my "Essential Grateful Dead?"

I remember all the August Berkeley shows as having great playing, but it's been a while since I've listened to them, so they kind of blend together in my mind. I think I remember one of the shows having lesser sound quality than the others, but I can't remember which.

Most of my Europe 72 listening lately has been from the commercial releases. And the shows that stick out in my mind from non-commercial sources aren't in your list, except for Rotterdam, which has an amazing (longest-ever) Dark Star, but that may not be appropriate to a starter kit and the sound quality is only A-.

You're probably already thinking of this, but to keep your friend from being overwhelmed I'd point her to something like the top three shows to get started with. I personally would have her start with 5-25-77 since the first set is so astonishingly tight and the sound is so clean.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Apr 13, 2008 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you think of my "Essential Grateful Dead?"

Lou you are reading my mind. I have already constructed a GD Starting Kit Listening Guide. In the document I write a few quick notes about the band but then I say "If you only want 3 concerts to go on your iPod then take Veneta, Cornell, and Hampton 89" (I think it was Hampton but can't remember.)

I also give a brief description for each show, why I put it on there, and any nice tidbits. It really is a nice document. The top three might change...I am so enamored with 5-25-77 but Cornell is like Mt. Everest. It may not be the best mountain or most challenging to climb but it is the most famous. Know what I mean?

I'm also considering swapping Veneta for Berkeley. My Berkeley copy is fantastic. I don't know. It's like swaping 1a for 1b.

And for the guy who mentioned 10-1-94, this really is a very good show. I think I'm going keep it. But I am going to include Iko Iko from Spectrum 95, The Eleven, and a version of The Last Time on my "special" GD concert.

This whole thing brings me happiness. I started listening to the Dead about 3 years ago and it's the only thing I turn on now. They are such a talented, special band. Nothing compares as far as I know.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Apr 18, 2008 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What do you think of my "Essential Grateful Dead?"

smgarcia: I wish there were people like you in this world.

--- AshesRising